More From Laurie On Student Generated Stories

by Ben Slavic on March 13, 2010

As for the kids “creating” the skeletons….I think it solves that need that teachers and students have had to “end” a story.  Since they have a skeleton….they already have an ending.  Something inside says “Ah!!” and can now focus on being truly present in the story….

can you expand on that? i still don’t make it to the ending of stories even with the skeleton stories.

That is because you don’t worry about it.  You know that it is the “work in the moment” that creates acquisition.  Many, many people find it difficult, if not impossible, to feel comfortable that way. 

There are a myriad of reasons why we feel this way.  We live in a “Git ‘Er Done!” society.  The bottom line is often getting to the finish line.  The entire idea of a story not only implies, it demands, a beginning a middle and an END.   We like closure.  We feel driven towards it.  We need, want and like a goal to work towards.   One of the things that drives many teachers and some students crazy is “parking” in a story and hanging out there. 

Most of us have set up stories with a setting, a character and a problem.  The “work” of storyasking “feels like” we need to get the character to solve the problem and end the story.  Even when we tell ourselves, and our students that we are just trying to get reps, the drive to solve the problem and find an ending does not go away for many people.  It also is totally outside the comprehension of folks outside of the CI bubble. 

By providing the class (and ourselves) with a skeleton story, we give them (and again ourselves) permission to play.  There is a part of the mind that can relax and say…Ok…now…what’s the rest of the story?  I’d love to know more about it.  Let’s figure it out!!

Now…not all skeleton stories have an ending.  For some reason, our minds don’t mind that so much.  We have an outline to fill in…an exoskeleton (or is it now an endoskeleton?!)  so to speak to build on.  AND WE NEED THAT STRUCTURE.

Without it, the activity feels too much like a free-fall.  A shot in the dark.  A whim.  It looks like, and feels like, we have resorted to telling stories instead of teaching.  You know how hard that is for people.  And they have reason to feel that way.  They will be asked to account for where there are going and what their students are doing.  You personally have great instincts with that.  Not everyone does.  They need a more concrete plan.

Now you and I know….that that what we PLANNED to do….is to teach via stories, not tell stories instead of teach.   But if we feel, the students perceive, or others think that we are storytelling instead of teaching, we have lost credibility. 

And we need credibility as much as we need structure.

So…inadvertantly…we have found a way to feed those needs.  We have a structure that is composed of the target phrases and has been created by student input.  We like it.  The students like it.  If we chose appropriate structures, it will meet state criteria and admins will like it. 

What’s not to like?  :o)

with love,
Laurie

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The Rest Wouldn’t Care

by Ben Slavic on March 13, 2010

Michele wrote:

Maybe all TPRS classes are more similar than they are different.

It made me think that, in a CI/Krashen department, if my bike or car had a flat and I couldn’t get to work on time, I could call one of my team members, and they would teach my class, and I could teach one of theirs later in the day. The kids wouldn’t lose any instructional time.

Plus, it would be fun for the kids to speak French with someone else. I would feel very close to my colleague, too, as we shared our teaching and our students and developed kind of a big open door community.

The kids would think kind of like, “Who’s teaching us today? They would learn to respect our differences, and we theirs, and there would be kind of a big team feeling to the whole thing. We wouldn’t need to think any more in terms of who teaches what level - we could just share, always working for the best outcomes for the kids.

This is part of a greater discussion of doing away with levels of language instruction altogether, in the interests of aligning with the new standards that, if they are not in your state yet, are certainly not too far away on a posse of fast horses.

But if my colleague didn’t do CI, and, rather, just talked in English about the language, then, I can understand, the person wouldn’t feel comfortable going in there with my kids. There would be a feeling of closed doors and mistrust. The kids would be the ultimate losers of this mistrust between the teachers.

I mean, I could teach the non-CI class. I just wouldn’t want to, because the kids would probably know that I did CI and want to hear some of the language they are studying in more than just a perfunctory way.

On the other hand, if my non-CI colleague (25% or less target language used in the classroom) were to come in and try to work with my kids in their area of strength, about three of them would be into it. The rest wouldn’t care.

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Assessment

by Ben Slavic on March 13, 2010

We had a minor argument a few months ago about assessment - whether it should evaluate participation or not. I would like to say that I am moving more and more in the direction of doing that, of holding my kids more socially responsible, and tying their grade more to what I see in their eyes, and less what I see coming out of their pencils.

I know many teachers don’t feel that way, but I do. Language is an intensely social thing, and, with the machines now taking over for real, maybe we who espouse the idea of CI can work against the dehumanization of our society by holding the kids responsible for how they sit and and interact with us in our classes.

For me now, it is about 70% participation rubric (not the self evaluation which I use less now) and 30% how they do on the quick quizzes. No long term testing at all. Long term testing sucks. It destroys their good will. And I’ve dropped the Thematic Units except for AP track kids and others who want to do it as extra credit.

[OT note: the blog entries I am receiving as emails are stacking up and jamming things up. So they are in queue, but I can't just blog ten a day or we wouldn't have time to read all of them. Just FYI].

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Student Generated Stories, a.k.a. Skeleton Stories

by Ben Slavic on March 13, 2010

Student Generated Stories, a.k.a. Skeleton Stories (first term is mine, second is Michele’s) have really been getting some practice by some of us these past few weeks. I have already stated how they seem to take the pressure off of regular stories (although I will always do those as well because they are just plain fun). Below, Laurie gives a report on how they worked for her this week. Laurie I am sure I am speaking for others in registering appreciation of the details of how the week unfolded, as it makes it easier for us to grasp:

What a week!

I’ve had so much fun.  You are right Michele…getting the seeds of a story from the kids is very powerful.  I feel like I have more material than I can squeeze into a week!! 

On Thursday I gave the phrases just about to start, without rest, and had the desire to my first period class.  Here is what they came up with:

Athletes have the desire to record a “We Are The World” song to raise money.  They are just about to start to sing when some of the athletes, who practice without rest, keep throwing a ball and won’t stop. (this is working out great…I’ll share the final version)

[ed. question: Laurie, could you expand on why you think the script above is working so well? The first thing I noticed in that one was how tight it was, with practically no extra words except the target words all neatly tied up in a bow. Did that help, do you think?]

Dora and Diego are practicing without rest to run in a race.  They have the desire to win the race.  They were so busy practicing that they didn’t notice that the race was about to start.

Sean has the desire to win the baseball game.  He practices without rest.  When it is his turn to bat he is so tired that he cannot hang on to the bat. His turn at bat is just about to start.  He swings and cannot hold on to the bat.  It flies out of his hands and….

Kora and Mike have the desire to get an A on their school project.  Mike wants to work without rest.  Every time they are just about to start working, Brittney wants to do something else.

Sam is a famous model.  All of the photographers have the desire to take her picture.  She is in Brazil.  They are just about to start a session, but there is a problem.  All of the photographers are staring at her beauty without rest.  They do not want to pick up their cameras.

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So on Friday, I chose the one about the athletes to “story-ask” first period.  Without any inner pressure (theirs or mine!!) to “get somewhere” with the story….we were able to use the phrases all kinds of ways!!  I’m working on the embedded reading for this one based on what we put together in just 10 minutes!

Third period I found out that the story about Sean and the baseball bat turned out to be semi-true.  In 7th grade a student let go of his bat and nearly knocked out an umpire!!  This kid is not in this class, and because I have a strict rule about “gossip”, they knew that we would create a new character and just utilize this great piece of drama to get a fantastic, but different, story.

In the fifth period class, I handed over the race story…but told them “two characters” instead of Dora and Diego so that they could create their own spin on it.  It WAS OUTSTANDING!!!!  I blogged it.  I had to share it! Now we are on a serious Star Wars roll with that.  Amazing!!

I’ve also been taking on Ben’s challenge of upping the amount of Spanish in class.  It is really working.  It is pushing them through the “I can’t” barrier.  With love.  They trust that I have a good idea of what they can and can’t do…even when they don’t.  They trust that I will not embarrass them.  I am finding that trust more and more important.

It is the approach that makes the difference.  It is still, and even more, about them.  The story ideas?  From them.  The details?  From them.  The ability to communicate in Spanish.  Because I know THEY CAN DO IT.  Not because the curriculum/test says that we should.  That slight shift is inspiring.

Thank you thank you thank you!!!
with love,
Laurie

[ed. note: I would also add here that all you have to do is click on Laurie's link to the right here - "Other TPRS Blogs" - to keep up with Laurie's and others' thoughts that are not being blogged here. Actually, I would urge anyone following the skeleton story/embedded readings thread here to go to her blog right now and read the recent posts there. Gold Mine City.]

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Going Swimming

by Ben Slavic on March 12, 2010

Ben:

Your recent comments about the hit and miss nature of TPRS, depending on moods and relationships, was really encouraging.  I have had some fun conversations with students the last month… the Olympics, the Superbowl, and the phrase “what are you going to do this weekend?” were really fun with various classes. 

I found a little trick on that last one for playing the game.  I asked my students what *I* was going to do on Monday.  They said go to school, eat.  It was really easy for me to completely deny those things as ridiculous because we were talking about me. Nobody got offended or confused.  And it was totally believable. (Sometimes it’s not so easy when it’s about them… that’s one of the missing pieces for me.)

I just kept asking “what else?” until they said I was going skydiving. Then I asked them what they were going to do on the weekend.  They were a lot freer and more playful about the whole thing. 

Even my class who’s least likely to bring themselves into class… it turned into so much TPRS fun.  I was going swimming with the dolphins off the gulf of mexico.  And so was J, just the weekend before.  She was going to go with D, but he wouldn’t swim there because the water was dirty.  He was digging to China that weekend because he likes fortune cookies. As we fished for why J was swimming with the dolphins, we found out that she wasn’t trying to catch penguins, but S was, to make them to fly.  She thinks every bird has the right to fly.  S is one of the least likely to involve herself, so this was highly encouraging!

Thanks again for your seemingly tireless commitment to students and teacher training.  I am ever thankful for your gift of starting good conversations on important topics related to teaching language.

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What Should We Say In Job Interviews?

by Ben Slavic on March 11, 2010

What Should We Say In Job Interviews?

I got this excellent question from a young Denver area teacher - please answer below in the comment section if you have any ideas that might help.

Hi Ben!

A year or so ago, I was doing my student teaching and had heard a lot about TPRS and came to one of your presentations with your students at your school.  So cool!  I bought one of your books and I am reading it currently (PQA in a Wink!).  After my student teaching, I spent my last semester abroad in Brazil learning more Portuguese (I am licensed to teach Spanish, however). 

I am currently working in  a middle school as the Native Language Tutor (supporting ESL students in their core classes), but am applying for jobs as a Spanish teacher in Colorado (Boulder, Jeffco, Adams 12, St. Vrain, Denver, surrounding area). 

When I do get a job, I optimally would love to launch into TPRS teaching, but I wanted your recommendation on what you think for a first year teacher teaching TPRS. I know some schools are for it, some are vehemently against it. Do you have a recommendation for what a good way would be to ease into TPRS teaching methodology so as a first year teacher I can make some kind of transition?  What, in general, should I expect if I talk about it in interviews?  I want to make it accessible to people who might be hiring me, but not have it be threatening to their school’s expectations of a traditional language class. 

Thanks for your input and response, it is truly appreciated!

My response: I don’t know what to say about your question. Some of us just fly our freak flag and others are cautious. If I were you I would be cautious. There are a lot of people with experience in schools who, at the first whisper of the term, get really weird. The term TPRS has just been so misrepresented! So sad, and yet very very true. And it is getting worse as at least nine of ten teachers do the method without a clue of how far what they are doing is from Krashen and Blaine’s original vision. I don’t think that a day goes by that somebody is turned off to the term TPRS, and for no other reason than because somebody in their building is shredding it. Why is that? Who knows? But, pretty soon, within a year possibly, the term won’t mean anything. (I could be way off the mark on this - I hope I am - but all I ever see now is one person doing actual TPRS in their rooms and like fifty doing a truly mangled version of it. How can we blame our colleagues for putting up a red flag when they see this? I would! I know of one case where a teacher claimed to do TPRS but spoke the target language maybe 15% of the time. What are people to think when that happens? So I wouldn’t mention it. I would use the term “comprehension based methods”, or something like that. Tell them you teach for acquisition, that you want to communicate in the target language with your students. Give them a demo right there! Have them fill out a Circling with Balls card and do that (see this site/resources/workshop handouts). Stay in L2 and have fun with them and watch yourself get offered a contract. A few summers ago, I did that with the Adams 14 superintendent (wasn’t applying for a job, he was just curious) and it worked, but then the people working for him crushed it in that district). But show them, don’t just tell them, that you don’t SPEAK ABOUT the language in the classroom; you SPEAK the language. If you know that the department you are wanting to join is open and aware to the new Colorado standards (Dec. ‘09), search a little on my blog and look for them and make sure you talk about them in the interview and how “comprehension based teaching” perfectly aligns with the standards. If the principal seems even half conscious of our new standards (some actually are!) then you definitely want to tell her that her department will be aligning more and more with them if you are hired. Feel lucky to be in Colorado, because most people doing comprehension based teaching can only say that they align with the national (ACTFL) standards, because most states are still driving covered wagons on that deal. I will put your question on the blog for the experts, but that is my general feeling on this topic.

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Bryce’s Signs 4

by Ben Slavic on March 11, 2010

Give them a feeling of success    What does this mean?
We want the students to feel like they are good at Spanish.  That feeling of confidence will carry them.  I am not talking about some false sense of self esteem.  I am talking about developing something within the kids that says “I can do this.”  As Susan Gross says, “Success breeds success.”  A little bit of success can be leveraged into more success.

When they leave the class every day I want them to say to themselves, “I am pretty good at this Spanish stuff!”  NOT, “Wow, is that teacher smart!”  We will show off our polished speech and our mastery of the intricacies of the language when we are with our colleagues, but in class with the kids we will make them feel smart and teach them. 
 
The thing we DO NOT want them to learn is “I only know that I don’t understand much Spanish.”  That is the kiss of death.  We want the kids to get it all.  We want them to be pumped when they leave class.  We want them to leave class thinking, “At least there is one class where I really get it.”
 
Praise them.  A lot.           What does this mean?
No one gets enough praise and admiration.  If you can give heartfelt, sincere appreciation to your students you will make an impression on them.  We need to catch our students being brilliant.  It happens all the time; we just have to look for it.  When there is even a spark of brilliance we need to bring attention to it.  Tell the whole class they are getting it.  Tell individuals they are getting it.  Make a big deal about their incredible aptitude for Spanish.
 
5 Second Grammar Lessons         What does this mean?
Keep the grammar lessons very, very short.  Do not give them too much information.  For example, when we are beginning to talk in the past and a student asks “What is the difference between estaba and era ?”  We will say, “They both mean ‘was’.”  We do not need to give a lengthy explanation of the finer points between the usage of the imperfect and the preterit and 57 easy rules to determine their proper application.
 
I hate to break it to you, but grammar is just not that fascinating or helpful to most of our students.  96% of them do not understand grammar and don’t care anything about it—that it NOT a character defect or an intellectual defect on their part.   You care about grammar and you understand it; that may be one reason you became a foreign language teacher.
 
When a student asks for a grammatical explanation, give it to him, but keep in mind the depths to which you need to go in your explanation.  An analogy may help here.  Think of the appropriate response to the question, “Where do babies come from?”  You would give one explanation to a three-year old, another to a thirteen year old, and another to a medical student specializing in obstetrics.  Most of the time students just need the kind of explanation that a three-year old needs.  They just need the answer to communicate at that moment, not a truck load of your brilliance and insight.  Save the graduate student-level explanations for your colleagues and with select AP-level students that have exceptional insight.
 
But put yourself in the students’ shoes.  They want to learn to speak and understand the language.  We are here to help them.  You can either teach about language or you spend your class time developing fluency—actually helping them learn the language.  We want our students to be able to speak the language well, and this may not require explicit knowledge of grammatical rules.  The grammar versus fluency issue often develops into an either/or situation.  Teaching about language makes relatively little impact on long-term memory in most students.  When you teach for fluency, you use the language in an interesting way and make it 100% comprehensible and they will remember it.
 
In limited doses explicit grammar can help.  We should teach grammar.  We should teach grammar every day.  Grammar is implicit in every single utterance in the class. Short (extremely short), focused, on-demand grammar lessons can help to answer specific questions that come up and can help to alleviate nagging questions in kids’ brains that keep them from focusing on the message. 
 
I maintain that explaining or asking about a point of grammar 137.2 times for 5 seconds each will stick with kids longer and better than doing a three day unit on a specific aspect of grammar, particularly in the lower levels.

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