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  1. My understanding of it is that there are 4% of students who can learn a language successfully through traditional, grammar-translation methods. Basically future language teachers and their ilk.

    1. …4% of students who can learn a language successfully through traditional, grammar-translation methods….

      What Erik said right there and also what Grant said are the spot on definitions. Unfortunately, when those kids, because they found something they were good at (as decided by former 4%ers who also were told by yet earlier 4%ers that they were good at it also), they decided to become language teachers. The implication is that, although they are great at deconstructing language, they don’t get current research at all, and so the cycle of ignorance is perpetuated.

      Sometimes, a 4%er shows up who does get the research about comprehensible input. That’s us. And it pits us in natural opposition to our 4% selves, and to all the other 4%ers out there, at the rate of probably 10,000 to 1.

  2. Grant Boulanger

    Yes, 4% who, despite being taught the language mostly in English, have been able, somehow, to learn to deconstruct the language and then reconstruct it effectively.

    Note, Chris, that I think data would indicate a retention rate of somewhere between 5 and 10% over 4 yrs in many programs across the US (NOT in R Harrell’s case!) I think it’s the 4% who, like Erik mentioned, go on to teach the language.

    1. Yes, years ago when I began following the moretprs list, that was how it was explained. Four percent of first year students choose to go on to AP classes, which was considered the equivalent of “mastering” the language. They were the students who felt successful in language classes and enjoyed the fascinating arcane knowledge they acquired of grammar systems. And of course, all language teachers were culled from that 4%, the cream of the cream if you like. Not that all 4%ers became language teachers.

  3. My observation has been that “4%”ers who go on to be language teachers have, sometime in their late college or high school years, studied abroad. They believe that their ability in language comes from their high grades in school. In reality, it comes from their comprehensible input experiences. Or, again, they are gifted…a 4 % of the 4% so to speak.

    Another group that often rejects CI methods is, ironically, native speakers. Their strong educational memories outweigh the realization that they “studied” a language that they first acquired.

    I wager that many of us were 4%ers. :o) Goodness knows I was.

    with love,
    Laurie
    whose district, thanks to TPRS, has over 40% of students taking Spanish in their senior year next year.

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