What Makes A Good Story?

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4 thoughts on “What Makes A Good Story?”

  1. Beautiful Ben!
    I would like to mention one thing, one point of clarification for those new to the method, that I misunderstood at first. The term “location” does not necessarily mean that the characters in the story go to a new physical place. This is obvious when you read the particular script that Ben talks about. But, for some reason, it was not obvious to me for quite some time.
    My formulaic approach to the “location” part of stories prevented novelty in the classroom, and it was not uncommon for kids to sigh at the onset of another location. I still remember one of my actors, a big, cool kid, saying to the class after stifled in one location, “Where do I go now guys?”
    The term “location” to me would better be called “scene.” But that is not my point here, to get the jargon switched. Rather, to add some clarification to those who may be experiencing what I did in those first few months of doing stories.
    So, stay at the dinner table sometimes, for the whole story (with brain breaks of course) and don’t feel obligated to ride a donkey to China.

  2. Yeah. Great point Jim. Really, it just depends on the story. Staying at the dinner table is fine, as long as the scene/location has energy. Moving to that second location is an intuitive, not a formulaic decision on the instructor’s part.
    Also to be avoided is the formula that the problem is stated in the first location, a failed attempt to solve it happens in the second, and the problem is solved in the third. Of course that is only a suggestion as well.
    That said, it sure is nice to see the entire class easily decoding the second and third location CI, because they have heard the words just a few minutes before in the first location.
    If you look at that story, of the 127 total words in it, 109 of them are either target structure words or variable words – 87% of the words. (I didn’t count the ramble/coda at the end, which doesn’t bear on this discussion). The word count on the 18 other words/structures reveals that there are multiples of the same word:
    Mother (3)
    Because (1)
    She says (3)
    That (2)
    Me (2)
    Starts (2)
    So (2)
    Then (2)
    This time (1)
    Of course, this is estimated and not scientific, and certainly not an accurate count, but it serves to make a point – that this script works because it doesn’t have new words except, really, the new structures, because all of the words in the list above, those support words that made the story work, were almost certainly already known by the students before the story.
    I used to bristle at that idea, I remember. How could I do a story with no new words except the target structures? When I first started doing this, I couldn’t believe that an experienced TPRS teacher could actually know to a fairly accurate degree what words their kids knew and what words they didn’t know. Blaine always knew – it was uncanny. I always wondered how he knew.
    But now I see how it works. We “just know” what they don’t know. During a story I know exactly if they know or don’t know the word. I don’t need to test them. I can even tell if they are lying to me by not asking with the fist for clarification. Now I try to do stories with no new vocabulary in them except the target structures.
    To restate – ideally we try not to introduce any new words into stories except the newly presented three structures – all other words including, ostensibly, those given in the form of suggestions from the kids in the target language should be already known by the students.
    Of course, when a word just has to be brought into a story, we have the great Point and Pause skill, but it must be limited in stories. It is very commonly used, on the other hand, in PQA.
    The message in all of this is very clear to me – we must not be foolishly introducing too many new words into a script. It, along with failure, of course, to go slowly enough, are probably the two biggest reasons teachers give up on stories.
    As Anne mentioned to me, it’s all about having a simple script. Simple scripts work the best. That is probably about the only really accurate thing we can really say about story scripts – they have to be simple. And that they have to be mojorific.

  3. hi ben
    I was busy online this morning listening to some youtube – Steve Kaufmann, a polygot, explaining language learning and I smiled as I listened. I thought I’d share, especially his remarks on Stephen Krashen. He’s sure interesting. Love your blog today, especially love how it relates to what I’m thinking about this morning. It’s great when the universe conspires for good and I listen! grin
    i love what he says about input and output, of course, we know this, it’s just nice to hear from an “expert” I believe being able to converse in 10 languages definitely qualifies this man as an expert, don’t you? Thinking back a few minutes, I’m thinking that one of our tools might be repeating the “homerun” stories a whole bunch, not just moving on. I wonder if anyone has been doing that, or what folks think of that. He says he listens to the same content over and over in the context of a story, while we approach it as new stories and shift the content. I’m curious what folks think about that/this.
    Anyway, I love the serendipitiousness (eek) of life. Friday i had a real heart to heart with my 9’s about their “intention” and how not going down the “english track” is so important. now here i find an expert reiterating pretty much everything I told them. gotta love life when what we put out there comes back to us!
    so, happy Sunday
    enjoy
    from canada
    lynn
    steve kaufmann on krashen
    http://thelanguagelearningblog.com/language-learners-grand-masters-steve-kaufmann/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqIYT37c0TM&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtsJA1lDjm8&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGST_E-rHyA&feature=related

  4. “…I’m thinking that one of our tools might be repeating the “homerun” stories a whole bunch, not just moving on. I wonder if anyone has been doing that…”.
    Jim Tripp wrote once about this – the need to repeat and repeat and repeat and not move on to new content until the content has been forced deep into the kids’ neurology. The king of this is Duke, and he suggests doing it with songs. He has been aggressively repeating twexted French songs during the last six months and when he came up her last week his French had a bunch of those little blue, white and red bows on it. I am going to start doing that with twexted Spanish songs to learn Spanish. The discussion from Jim was about megaly repeating auditory text in the form of reading without making it boring to the kids. Of course, this is what we do in Read and Discuss the day after a story on reading days. The general point you make, Lynn, certainly bears a lot of discussion. It is a huge point that we rarely talk about, it seems. And thanks for those links over to Steve Kaufmann.

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