Report from the Field – John Piazza

To view this content, you must be a member of Ben's Patreon at $10 or more
Already a qualifying Patreon member? Refresh to access this content.

Share:

Facebook
Twitter
Pinterest
LinkedIn

9 thoughts on “Report from the Field – John Piazza”

  1. This is FABULOUS and the point inverting ‘rewarding privilege’ needs to be reiterated in our presentations and documents about the benefits and strengths of T/CI classes.

  2. You did so well in getting right to the heart of the issue in this letter, John. I think it’s a good letter to review for anyone heading into an interview to teach at a diverse school. The school you teach at, in Berkeley, (right?) is very similar to the high school I went to in Madison WI, and similar to Evanston Township and Oak Park River Forest here on the outskirts of Chicago. Similar in nature to the diversity and issues of privilege.

    Oh, and I wonder if the accuracy of Google translate will ever get better. I’ve used it to translate entire transcriptions of telenovela episodes that I’m watching with kids in my Spanish heritage classes. I hand the Google translated English versions to a few kids that could benefit from the translation support. The problem is that it comes out so garbled; many words and phrases aren’t translated; something like 40% is just nonsensicle. I really don’t buy it. I don’t think language is like chess where a computer can outdo a person.

    1. Your chess example is very perfect, Sean. Chess has a limited number of possibilities. Human communication is probably limitless.

      The underlying assumption is the google eliminate-the-human research is that they are moving more into fields of human satisfaction. It seems to be more than just work saving devices. Trying to communicate with another human in his language or in a 3rd common language is rewarding. Driving is often enjoyable. Physical work is feels good. The Amish question is “Do we control our gadgets or do our gadgets control us?

    2. Wow, even Spanish to English is Google translated that poorly? I’d heard that nearer languages came out better (awkward but comprehensible). For Chinese to English or English to Chinese, it’s terrible. Last fall, someone at my school thought they were doing me a favor by asking me to glance over his Google-translated Chinese letter. Just looking at the first line made it evident that starting over would be far easier on me than fixing Google translated English-to-Chinese. Think I may have used that example here some time before.

      I’m not sure how much better machine translation could get. It was the nuances that it completely missed — things only seen from context and from the tone of the original English letter, and felt in the Chinese when it was read. Things that can’t be explicitly taught, so not able to be put into a translation program, it seems to me.

  3. You have a gift for stating the obvious in a very eloquent way. This is something that we all will have to deal with sooner or later (defending WL instruction vs. coding classes), and your document states the position for WL classes very effectively. Thank you so much for sharing your insight with all of us. This will surely coming in handy at some point.

  4. Sherri L Whorton

    The whole idea that coding is in anyway similar to learning another language and another culture is ludicrous. Coding is just a technical skill of giving commands to a machine, while the acquisition of another language with accompanying cultural understanding is so much more. For the unconvinced, I would ask that they look at the national standards for world language learning (ACTFL) and explain how learning coding skills fits into the domains and targets outlined in terms of listening, speaking, reading and writing.

Leave a Comment

  • Search

Get The Latest Updates

Subscribe to Our Mailing List

No spam, notifications only about new products, updates.

Related Posts

The Problem with CI

To view this content, you must be a member of Ben’s Patreon at $10 or more Unlock with PatreonAlready a qualifying Patreon member? Refresh to

CI and the Research (cont.)

To view this content, you must be a member of Ben’s Patreon at $10 or more Unlock with PatreonAlready a qualifying Patreon member? Refresh to

Research Question

To view this content, you must be a member of Ben’s Patreon at $10 or more Unlock with PatreonAlready a qualifying Patreon member? Refresh to

We Have the Research

To view this content, you must be a member of Ben’s Patreon at $10 or more Unlock with PatreonAlready a qualifying Patreon member? Refresh to

$10

~PER MONTH

Subscribe to be a patron and get additional posts by Ben, along with live-streams, and monthly patron meetings!

Also each month, you will get a special coupon code to save 20% on any product once a month.

  • 20% coupon to anything in the store once a month
  • Access to monthly meetings with Ben
  • Access to exclusive Patreon posts by Ben
  • Access to livestreams by Ben