Hit List of 26 – Updated

I am reposting this article (revised 64 times and reposted many, many times as well). I apologize for the length and the repeated postings, but since these assumptions form the bedrock of the newest (non-targeted) work we are doing, I want new PLC members who may have a background in TPRS to know where we have been in past years here on the PLC in order to then understand where we will be going with full speed and focus this year:
Why is starting out a school year with stories a most difficult thing to pull off in foreign language classrooms? What opposes their use in secondary school classrooms in the United States? Here are some reasons:
1. The entire system of TPRS is very hard to learn and most people give up on it within months of trying it.
2. The vast majority of students don’t know how to interact with their teachers in class and must be trained.
3. The data gathering and grading pieces required in schools are in conflict with the soul of comprehension based instruction. Students, parents and especially administrators who don’t understand storytelling can ruin careers.
4. TPRS as a pedagogical term conveys an image of classroom chaos to huge amounts of teachers, due to past TPRS failures by teachers.
5. Training is insufficient. It is folly to ask a teacher to attend a summer training in the area of comprehension based instruction and then go in and make the bucking bronco of comprehension based teaching work in their classroom in the fall.
Accordingly, I have dropped the following things from traditional TPRS – weights around my ankles for more than 15 years – in favor of a more natural approach:
1. targets – TPRS people have tried to combine TPRS with the textbook and it doesn’t work, in my opinion. Focusing on lists of any kind, in my view, has little positive effect on language gains. Examples of such lists are (1) high frequency verb lists, (2) vocabulary lists in the form of semantic sets or thematic units, (3) lists of words drawn from chapters in a chapter book to teach before reading the book via backward planning, (4) any list taken from a textbook. This is all elaborated on in detail in A Natural Approach to Stories and A Natural Approach to the Year (Teacher’s Discovery).
2. massed reps (of targets)
3. heavy circling – when I circled kids questions like if a student was in Vermont or Virginia I would very often get an automatic, almost predictable eye roll. The students would shift their body weight and give me an uncomfortable, forced response. The student and I would look at each other and the class would look at us and we all knew that the question was lame, lame, lame. And I would keep up my fake smile going like I was enjoying it but inside I wanted to scream. I hated the heavy kind of circling they advocate at the conferences to where they spend like half a day – or more – practicing it.
4. reading up*
5. PQA – it didn’t take long for the kids to see that I was asking them personalized questions merely in order to try to teach them a structure.
6. establishing meaning (this is not necessary if we are teaching slowly enough and the context is interesting). What I mean here by “establishing meaning” is the practice of saying what words mean before starting the story, because of course in truth we are always establishing meaning as we go along through the story. We are not teaching individual words – we are teaching the language as a whole. The brain does better with that.
7. having kids supply cute answers (puts stress on them, is linked to privilege bc it favors the louder, bolder, and more socially gifted students, and thus divides the classroom into the haves and the have nots). When are we going to stop doing that in America?
8. gesturing as a group (because we forget to do it half the time) so that now I just do light gesturing. (I think of gesturing as a kind of embedded form of TPR during a story but is not a separate activity like TPR.)
9. lengthy undisciplined stories that last more than 25 minutes long. Once the kids know that in class they won’t get to know what happens in that class period they tune it all out and by springtime they are all the way tuned out on stories. Short 25-35 min. stories that actually have an ending are necessary. The students need for the story to end that class period.
10. all the planning. I needed to stop doing too much work for too little money. We should all have a long look at our paychecks and think about doing all that in terms of how much we plan. For what? Our students need 10,000 hours of input to gain command over the language, and we have 125 hours X 4 years in a four year program, and that gives us 1/20 of the time we need to get to those 10,000. I guess we could work ourselves into a burnout if we want. But I won’t. Besides, as soon as we get one principal impressed, they leave and we have to crank up the dog and pony show all over again when the next upwardly mobile bozo shows up for his – why is it always a man who knows nothing about SLA? – two to three year stint making us nervous. Nontargeted CI is about very little planning. It therefore greatly reduces stress and that enhances our mental health right at a time when mental health issues are, like really big spiders with really big spider webs, taking over our profession and turning it into a dark forest, wrapping teachers up in big cocoons, taking all the fun out of life.
11. using celebrities. I don’t know or care who they are, and many of my kid don’t either. Who is Justin Bieber drinking Cheerwine on the beach with? Why is Lady Gaga surfing in Chicago with the principal of my building? Who cares? They are kids! They only care about themselves! And I don’t want a section of the class – the kids who know the celebrities – running the class again. Why not we make our own characters up? It’s much more fun!
12. feeling as if I had to do a story even when I wasn’t having the best day. I always felt pressure to do stories even when I didn’t want to. Now I can work with an image, I can have them read, I can play the Word Chunk Team Game. I got options!
13. trying to finish a story that was too long. Long stories only stay long bc of the few kids of privilege who turn the class into THEIR class bc they have the social skills, learned them at home where the other kids didn’t because of poverty. No more split classes along economic and racial lines. Done with that. NOW we can make equity happen in our classrooms. Now we can reach them all, because everyone can learn a foreign language. We need to quit making a second language only for the few. Now we know how to do it! Piedad Gutierrez has said on the subject of stories that drag out too long: “Very early on we were trained (at the national conferences) that the stories were not important, the content was not important, we were supposed to be doing reps of targets. But the students cared a lot about the stories, because they were invested. The stories were theirs not ours. So I learned to follow the students and finish the stories. The 30 minutes has worked magically for me.”
14. not having a safe set of golden rails for my CI train to go down. Not feeling safe when I’m teaching, like my instruction could go off the rails at anytime. Screw that. I need safety. I was too scared just being in school buildings for all those years. I needed for that to stop. NTCI did that for me. I’m not saying what is best for others here.
15. dominance of the classroom by the few bc of the targeting of lists (high frequency lists, thematic unit word lists, semantic set lists, lists of words taken from chapters in novels for backwards planning, TPR lists.
16. being cute. I can’t be cute anymore. I got too many lines in my face now as I try to embrace what it means to get old after spending almost 40 years in a classroom, which is a very cool process especially knowing that there are people like Tina and Kesha Wise and and all y’all in the world, riding waves, hanging ten, doing it differently, doing it your way. There is nothing in the research on CI that indicates that cuteness is a requisite ingredient of good foreign language teaching. An example is cuing of any kind, like the “Oh no oh no oh me oh my!” thing. I’m even thinking of giving up the Mais bleater. When we cue them, it is like controlling them. That’s not what I want to do. I want to let interesting input drive the class, not the lion tamer thing. Each student will respond in their own way, how they would in a free and open conversation. We need to learn to respect our students, stop treating them like idiots and measuring their process so much. We need to be better. They don’t. Doing that will pack our fourth and fifth year programs with students bc they will actually want to be there.
17. cuing kids to do the “Ohhhh!” move. Some of the kids have no idea what they are “Ohhhing” about anyway, but, more importantly, we are taking away the right of the kid to listen in a quiet and relaxed and focused way and turning them into a kind of performing animal, lions in cages. It’s manipulation and distracts their focus and wears the hell out of us.
18. making the kids create a six panel drawing of a story when they are only in level 1. I think that this is too much for them. Rather, I advocate level 1 classes making two panels (problem and solution), level 2 can do 4 panels on their drawing, level 3 can do the six panels, and level 4 can maybe do 8 panels. No rules. You do it the way you want.
19. high frequency word lists. If a word happens in our instruction, it is probably high frequency, since our students are beginners. The entire HF list thing is just old, for me. I’m not saying it doesn’t work for others. It doesn’t work for me. It makes me nervous as to whether I taught something to children who largely don’t care. That is a formula for mental stress.
20. I don’t do TPR as a class activity any more. I do light TPR in stories. TPR always seemed artificial and kind of lame to me. Like circling and gesturing, it brings up that conscious learning factor in the moments of comprehension, which removes the flow of focus only on meaning. I make instructional decisions very much on intuition and process, and circling and gesturing and now TPR, in my opinion, should be done lightly during instruction, and only lightly, so that the supremely important focus on meaning – which alone drives acquisition – can be uninterrupted and unfettered. I see no pressing need to teach certain “super” verbs early on in the first year. Isolated language is not as powerful as language in context, and so the authors advocate less time spent on isolated TPR of words early on in level one in favor of more and earlier stories. The students will learn the verbs better and faster in context, in my opinion. TPR is really good, but stories are better in my view. Both are excellent. There are no rules or truths in this work – we just need to find a way to find those techniques that work FOR US as “individual teaching artists”, a wonderful term first coined by Spanish Teacher Moco Loco Thompson in Beaufort, South Carolina in 1997. We each get to do what we each want to do to make ourselves understood in our classrooms in the ways that we feels is best for our own mental health. There are no experts – there are just different ways up the mountain.
21. the teacher trying to be the dynamic, in-charge lion tamer with star quality instead of being self-effacing, listening to her students carefully, and rolling with whatever direction the conversation goes. This model of a teacher who uses comprehensible input is not in line with Krashen, Vygotsky, etc. The very image of a lion-tamer super star ball of energy entertainer making kids laugh is just not what teachers can do all day. That image, packaged and sold at conferences by dynamic TPRS presenters, has had a strong deleterious effect on people new to CI for a long time now and the image must change. WE ARE NOT PERFORMERS. I once received this comment via email from a young teacher just starting out with CI:
… I’m nervous I don’t have the language skill sets to perform impromptu stories in the upper levels….
She cannot succeed if she thinks her job is to perform. I told her:
…I advise that you reconsider that mind set and especially your use of the word “perform”. It is not a performance. This is a legacy of the TPRS community and it has really hurt a lot of teachers, this idea that they are performers, there to create a story that pleases the kids and impresses visitors. We are not performers, but simply adults whose job it is to make ourselves understood by our students. That’s it. Just do that. TPRS slowly morphed into this idea that we were performers. They all went to the same conferences every and only a few of the same people every year presented and they were the few who could do stories as performers but most of us are not that. We are not. We are there in fact to STOP performing and reach our kids on a deeper level than mere performance. Oh man that is a big one! It makes me think of what Earl Stevick, who was not just a language researcher but also a poet and a visionary, said a long time ago about this work:
…In what we say between the lines of what we say,
even and inescapably in what we never say at all,
we SEND a message to our students—
even when no WORD is spoken, a message.
And here between the lines, between the sentences,
here in our moving, in our looking, in our silences,
here, it seems TO ME is hidden
the most weighty, most compelling message
they can ever take away with them. (Earl Stevick, no date)
22. I’m also not doing what Blaine calls “breakdown”. What is breakdown? According to Blaine, breakdown is when the student either answers the question with confidence or hesitation and when their answer shows hesitation that is called breakdown. And then when we see that Blaine says that we “need to practice the sentence more”**. But do we break down when learning our first language? Looking for breakdown is like hammering the input in one nail at a time when no nails are needed, just waves and waves of pleasant comprehensible input (easy on the student and the teacher both) and some goes in and some doesn’t and then when the students sleep the process of parsing out some words – as ready to be accepted into the growing language system or not – happens. The process is under our unconscious command and so why “practice” it? TWhy look for things that the kids can’t do? Doing that activates conscious thinking and the affective filter and that is not how the research says it happens.
23. This tags on #22 above. Are actors that talk, repeating after the teacher, all that necessary? Don’t we have enough to do? The amount of speech practice that actors get in a story when we ask them to repeat after us is negligible. Unimportant. Don’t need to do it. Sean Lawler’s style of no drama, no actors showing off, no big effort to get any output, lulling them into a dream like he did w the Matava script in that video from three weeks ago here, is far more effective in my opinion. That said, there is one thing that having the kids speak during a story does, and it is a very good thing if done in a certain way, the way I saw Tina do it countless times over this past summer in workshops. What Tina does is “lock up” emotionally with the actor and make a game of the dialogue. What does “locking up” like this mean? To me it means that when you engage the actor in speech, you don’t go for language correctness, correct point of view, SV agreement, etc. or when you ask them to repeat after you mechanically, while you judge how well the kid did. Rather, you get a kind of smile on your face that invites them to play, to want to repeat the sentence histrionically, for the purpose of laughing***. In this endeavor you always have the director’s cues that are so useful at the most unexpected times in the wall space above the board. In Atlanta once Tina had 150 teachers laughing their asses off and no one new why. I was sitting in the back and couldn’t figure it out. It was something in the repeating, the way she was engaging them beyond the mind level, at the play level, that was just funny.
24. I think that it is wrong to ask new teachers to “dive right in” to stories. The day you create your first story with your class is a day that requires more of you in terms of energy and goodwill than any other. Build community first, and don’t start stories until you are ready, possibly as long as 8 to 10 weeks into the school year. See the new Cycles of Instruction book for more on how to fill those ten weeks.
25. Offered by Alisa Shapiro-Rosenberg (italics):
I see the primacy of the Physical Presence/Voice & Vibes as transcending any kind of input, targeted or not. I am training a faculty of newbies so I have lots of observations that run the gamut fresh in my mind. The ‘trato’ – the relational dynamics, characterized by the extra-linguistic skills – are the cornerstone to comprehension, engagement and maintaining attention…Classical TPRS is so loaded with teacher “to-do’s” that it’s hard for the (esp newbie!) to have the mental space to focus on the essential extra-linguistic skills…They need to be front and center!!
26. I strenuously disagree with Krashen’s position on specialized reading, if I even understand the term correctly. If we are tasked with teaching a group of foreign nurses who need the medical vocabulary before they can start working in the profession, they will not learn the terms they wish to learn until the bedrock of their language system is more established in a general way. The terms cannot be learned unless the overall language system itself in each nurse is stronger. It’s like trying to put a cargo on an unfinished boat – it will sink. It’s like building a stadium for a soccer game but forgetting to put in the field. The nurses will only learn the vocabulary they need when the field is finished.
This discussion just proves that we are all different and that there is no one way to teach stories using comprehensible input. When I asked kids questions like if a student was in Vermont or Virginia I would get almost an automatic eye roll, shifted body wait and an uncomfortable response. The student and I would look at each other and the class would look at us and we all knew that the question was lame. And I would keep up my fake smile like I was enjoying it but inside I wanted to scream.
*Reading up is where the teachers hand the kids books that they can’t read. When it is in the form of a novel that the class reads together, it is especially onerous to the students who come from less privileged backgrounds. Now Tina and I just do Free Choice Reading to start class for ten minutes. The kids read what they want from a pile of books on a table. The feeling for over the half of the kids when we do class novels is like standing under a cherry tree and being told to jump up to get the cherries. Some can’t jump as high as others. This reduces equity and inclusion in the classroom and divides the class. THAT pisses me off. It is the teacher’s job to pull the branch down so that all the kids can easily do the classroom assignments and thus make it effortless for them, because that is what the research says how we acquire languages – when it is literally effortless. So I say we need to implement more “reading down” in our classes – more collecting like only three chapter books of different VERY LOW LEVEL titles or better yet making our own from our own class stories – they collect fast over the years to make our own personalized libraries. One way to do that is to follow the Mike Peto Reading Wagon down the street.
L: What are the best novels to buy these days? What are people recommending? I need to spend $440 in grant money fast on some readers for my very literate Level 3s and 4-APs.
Me: The thing is if you read my “Hit List of 26” [the reader can search it on the PLC] you see that I am against reading “up” [explained in that article]. I think that even though your students are very literate they should still experience zero, or next to zero, conscious engagement when reading (reading up). SO I would recommend easier novels, those typically taught in level 2 or level 1 depending on the student, IF I gave them novels at all, which personally I wouldn’t do* except in the Free Choice Reading sessions that start class.
L: I just started the process for developing organized, multi-paragraph essays on academic topics. I am the only French teacher at my school, and I do French 1 through 4-AP. I have done mostly non-targeted CI with these students for the whole time they have had me. Students are good with narratives, but have yet to master expository writing.
Me: I personally think that they are hundreds of hours from that. The expectations that they can do expository writing in the upper levels are too high, in my opinion. I would tone down that part of my instruction at levels 3 and 4. They can write in college, because they will have had so much input that they will be able to write effortlessly, since you didn’t waste time having them write too much in levels 1-4. Again, just my opinion. Moreover, writing is one of the favorite things of college professors – it keeps them in their minds where they live.
L: In my level 2 classes, I just do a gentle listening/writing practice with my French Level 2s. They are just doing card-talk with summertime vocab. We are learning to write about the student-of-the-day. We switch from using descriptive paragraphs about the student of the day, into narrative paragraphs about what they did in a town they visited over the summer and end with some writing about summer in general, to serve as a concluding device, and possible transition into an expository paragraph on the health and psychological benefits of vacations. This could lead to a general conversation on health and self-care.
Me: Again, I’m good with that plan until the last part, and that is where personally I won’t teach even a fourth year student to do this. Again, it’s just too early. We always overate them in their ability to output. Again, just my opinion based on my own experience.
L: I told my upper levels that we were not going to watch any movies until I got good at teaching writing. They are easy to work with, and I wanted them to know that a change needs to happen within me, before the change from narrative to expository writing takes place within them. We will watch our first movie after we have gotten familiar with the writing process and feel good about our progress. Not a single student even protested. I think they are happy that they can look forward to developing their writing skills immediately this year.
Me: Sounds like some good kids!
L: Over three days, I did the basic things in Tina’s repertoire w/ my Level 3s and 4s, but added the first step below:
1) brainstorm in Eng/rewrite brainstorm ideas in French/ survey student interests from the brainstorm
[the result was we are going to study the importance of sleep]
2) Find French academic vocab to support our future writing
3) Started card talk while mixing in the new academic vocab
4) Started immediate follow-up with structured sentences and paragraphing.**
** This is a step that I never gave myself permission to use till Tina did. Genius!
Now, because of all of the positive energy from the morning classes, the French 1 classes in the afternoon are easier to guide than in the past. I keep the listening very simple, but they can *see* more in a student-of-the-day paragraph than I used to think they could. After some discussion and drawing inputs w/ questions, I can show them the paragraph below and they can write it with me,
L’été de Jayden
Jayden est un garçon américain qui aime deux sports. Il joue au football américain et nage. Un jour, Jayden nage à Huntington Beach. Il regarde une étudiante. Il dit, “Bonjour !” Jayden est content.
The Level 1s loved it, Ben! It is a great start to the year, regardless of what happens next. Even with all the ups and downs, students are starting to be proud that they chose French at our school. ASL and Spanish are very popular, and I still get great students every year. But I want to have the best program at my HS. ?
Me: I’m sure it will, because of your skill, experience and dedication.
*This is a very sensitive area tied to equity. If thirty-five kids have a wide range of reading ability, because of their background down to elementary school, availability of books throughout their childhoods, family wealth, etc. then many of them will be odd man out in classes that “challenge” the class, which is code for “only teach to the top kids in the class”. We don’t want that. So what we choose for reading materials is a big deal. We want everyone to be able to read, especially because it is input and input drives the CI train. Kids should never be made to feel behind in a reading class, and yet as we speak most do in those skewed to the few class reading of novels settings. That is why six years ago I went to the 10? individual free choice of books – any level – sessions to start class and why I condemn the reading of class novels during class time. Reading should be individual, not as a class (saves a lot of money since we only need to purchase 2 or 3 titles instead of 35 classroom sets. The books offered to the individual readers should be easy. If those four kids out of the thirty-five want to read “up”, fine. But don’t make the class do it.
**for the full article: http://www.mena.northwestern.edu/documents/TPRS-workshop-handout.pdf
***teaching for laughter keeps kids our of their conscious minds. Teaching for correct verb structuring keeps them in their conscious minds. The one aligns with the research, the other not.
This has turned into a long ramble but what the hell. Here is some more rambling, this below on the problem with targeting words in a CI classroom:
Tina has said and I fully appreciate and support her point:
… now I just assume that if they do not get 100% of what I am saying, I am OK with that as long as they are getting the overall message….
This is 100% supported by the research. Krashen and his (35 years of pure) research tell us that we want to establish in our students’ minds the illusion of comprehending the language while their focus is ON UNDERSTANDING THE MESSAGE, not the words. Why?
Because the mind can only focus on one thing at a time, either the message or the words. This is why Tina and I started the FB CI Liftoff site and why we wrote those last two books in what will become a “Natural Approach” trilogy* – all to support this simple idea.
WE WANT THEM FOCUSED ON THE MESSAGE AND NOT THE WORDS**. This creates the “din”. For more search “Krashen Din”.
The tragedy, and that is not too strong a word, is that so many teachers who are interested in CI try to teach the language instead of the message. They focus on certain verbs, certain words, certain verb tenses. No blame. They are teachers so they think they must teach. But all this is not that difficult, not really. WE make it complicated. All we need to do is speak the language to our students so that they understand and enjoy. Testing (“weighing the pig doesn’t make it grow any faster” as Blaine likes to say) is not necessary. We don’t need to fret so much on the “what” but rather just focus on sharing ideas w the kids and THEY WILL ACQUIRE better and do so faster when we do it that way.
*The books are:
A Natural Approach to Stories
A Natural Approach to the Year
The Square Peg, Round Hole Book (Cameron Taylor)
A Natural Approach to CALP (ready in 2019)
(hard copies from Teacher’s Discovery; e-versions from this site) https://benslavic.com/tprs-ebooks.html
**the argument by the TPRS Old Guard is that the teacher first establishes meaning of the “target words” for the lesson that day from a list somewhere (a semantic set, a high frequency list of words, words necessary to read a chapter in a chapter book, etc.), then uses PQA to teach them (which is very hard for the teacher and mostly boring for the kids and a fatal flaw, actually THE fatal flaw in TPRS, for which I am partially responsible for writing PQA in a Wink! in 2007. We don’t need PQA to teach words from a list, from a textbook. The research demands that we do not target. The research requires that we merely create the “din”. The price we pay when we target is critical loss of interest.



28 thoughts on “Hit List of 26 – Updated”

  1. Reading up is where the teachers get so excited about the gains they are getting that they hand the kids books that they can’t read. Of course it’s just my opinion. But I know CI teachers who proudly announce that their kids in level 1 read four or five books that year when in my opinion doing that forces them to read up like above their level. And then since it is a class-wide activity (I never do that anymore, just SSR/FVR) the feeling for over the half of the kids is like standing under a cherry tree and being told to jump up to get the cherries. Some can’t jump as high as others. It is the teacher’s job to pull the branch down to all the kids and thus make it effortless for them. So I say we need to implement more “reading down” in our classes. Thus I never do a single novel in Level 1 anymore, except maybe those really easy ones Carol has been coming out with lately. Mainly all we do is read our stories. I find that when I do it that way some kids in Level 2 choose Level 3/4 books and some choose Level 1 books, as per their own processing speed. It’s all a big plan to reduce stress in the classroom and fight hard for the most important thing in a school classroom – equity.

    1. That make sense to me. I agree that a lot of the readers are marketed to lower levels than are really appropriate. Thanks!

    2. I thought “reading up” was reading tons of research about SLA that we get sucked into it and only care about that and not the students.

    3. Basically this:
      Reading anxiety happens when students a) don’t know enough necessary vocab and b) don’t have enough cultural context (background info). We can reduce (if not eliminate) reading anxiety (see Affective filter hypothesis) by giving our students easy books to read. To read a book at the 2000 word frequency level students need to read about 200,000 words in context. This means we need to give them about 22 hours of comprehensible reading. EASY reading. Reading up is worse than forcing output in my opinion. Forced output makes them hate a class, forced reading up makes them hate READING. Which will have drastic effects on all aspects of their life.

  2. When you say “establishing meaning,” do you mean something more than simply making it clear what a word/phrase means?
    To me, establish meaning is “perro = dog.”
    There is another level. The topic is “dogs.” This could chatting about dogs (PQA). This could be Circling w/pets or El Perro Especial.
    There is another level. The story is about a particular dog (and survey of English children’s literature will yield a lot of stories about dogs or about a person with a dog, so this is an important topic, at least for American readers).
    Having laid out my thoughts on this, I am hoping to hear what you have in mind for “taking out” EM. Thanks.

    1. Nathaniel can you explain? I get PQA. I do that only if I AM GENUINELY INTERESTED (Bold letters here) in finding out information about students. What about El Perro especial, and the “particular story”?

      1. “El Perro Especial”
        I just used that as a take-off on the “la Personal Especial” as a possible topic. The idea would be that students might want to talk about their own dogs/pets.
        Story about a particular dog. I was thinking about a lot of dog stories out there and the possibility for simplified stories for story listening or for readings: Ribsy, Big Red, The Call of the Wild, Where the Red Fern Grows, Old Yellar, The Incredible Journey, Lassie, Clifford.
        Just thinking out loud. Maybe “level” was not the best word, but that was all I could think of at that moment.

    2. What I had in mind was not that we – in my view only here – should never convey meaning. Of course we do. But when it emerges in the story. Not before, which when I did it that way came first (perro = dog) but then I had to ask everybody in the room if they had a dog. Seemed kind of stupid to me if I am good enough at my craft to make the word dog clear enough in the story. That’s what I meant. Really I was voicing concern that the first step of traditional TPRS is a bit overhighlighted and we can do perfectly good stories without it. Unless we are tying it to a curriculum, I guess. Then we need step 1. Because of TPRS, because the system says to do it. To align with the curriculum. When in my view the curriculum should align with the research, which doesn’t talk about targets. I don’t think that we should make the curriculum align with the research or the instruction. I think it should be the other way around. Don’t tell the textbook companies, who have written a lot of curriculums in their day, to the tune of about 1.3 billion dollars a year.

  3. What I mean by novels as #9 is when we have the class read the novel as a group. A class of 35 kids is going to have many different reading proficiency levels. How can that unify the class? How can each of our kids participate at full throttle if they don’t have the reading backgrounds of other kids in the classroom? The kids spend the first ten minutes of class reading individually. Some level 3 kids read level 1 books if they want and vice versa. That has the greatest value. Kids want a choice and they should not have to “perform” when reading. It’s just Krashen 101.

    1. Ben, your reasoning has convinced me to not do any more class readers in middle school when they are advanced enough to read on their own but until then we read as a team during the process of learning to read in L2.
      At our Waldorfschool I don’t start reading until year 4. And in my year 5 class some students were ready to read their own books during the last couple of weeks before the end of the school year. But other students wanted to stick with the class reader.

  4. Here’s my deal on the group leveled novels thing. It has evolved in the few short years I’ve tinkering w/T/CI in my elem CI classroom (grades 1-4). 3rd and 4th graders do read as a group w/a class set. I used to be a lot more controlling about it (who, me?) as in, when you get to page 59, here are some Qs on the screen – take a look nd try to answer (in Spanish or English – to yourslf) til eveyone is done with chapter 6.
    No I’m much more “keep reading if you want to – here are some other choices.” Also, we read more at a time – at least 2 chapters where as I used to strictly only do 1 chapter at a time and used to insist on “processing it” in some way – reading together, popcorning, dramatizing, textivate, Teacher’s guide Qs or activities…
    But I do still have my lil ones read as a team…

    1. I, too, read in grade 4 as a team bc many can’t read the words fluently on their own yet and sometimes have problems with pronunciation, although I start reading in year 4 (before that we have three years of mainly listening and comprehension) with short action poems and songs they have previously learnt by heart.
      But after reading Kathrin’s contributions I’m beginning to think maybe SL is an even smoother way to reading.

  5. 5.establishing meaning
    I still do this but I just write it up on the board then sometimes I create a gesture (for me) if I know that I am going to use it. I also say the L1 translation of it too. Then I am back into the story, I may repeat the whole sentence or recycle the story. I am putting away the “hammer” as it is not a tool that I like using in class.

  6. Gesturing is something that didn’t come naturally to me, but in my private tutoring a lot of the students who come to me are dyslexic and having great difficulty surviving in a regular classroom. These are bright, often extremely intelligent kids who just have a different way of perceiving the world around them. Dyslexic kids are the ones that see the gorilla walk across the stage when “normal” people are focusing on the number of passes made by the people playing basketball and don’t notice the gorilla. I found that gestures were a tremendous help to them. When I said a word, they would first remember the gesture I made with it, and then the meaning of the word. It was a kind of key to meaning for them. I never insisted on them making the gesture, I just trained myself to use a gesture every time the word came up. It’s a useful tool for some students, especially at lower levels.

    1. “I just trained myself to use a gesture every time the word came up.” Yes! For me training myself to use the gesture is easy… at least the high frequency ones. One cool hack that I have discovered is using the same gesture for multiple tenses.
      Example: I use two fists in a motion of one over the other then switch. Right over left then left over right for the verb “faire” I use it for the imperfect, for passé composé and for the infinitive. Sometimes, I even use it for expressions… though it may not make sense if transferred to English.

  7. I think it depends where you are at in your CI teaching journey and also the school/department/population you teach. I’m new to CI so I am just focusing on getting my feet wet and learning the basics. For me the things that I like the most so far are MovieTalk, OWI, and Persona especial. I also like TPR. It works really well in my school because we have a very successful dance program and many students (boys and girls) are in dance.
    For now I am kind of eclectic within the scope of CI. I am a huge BVP-ite and I am pretty convinced that the way to go is to focus on the principles of language acquisition and then teach how you think best within those principles.
    Some kids actually prefer the reading novels in class because it seems more like school AND also it can be motivational. Like I have kids and their parents say “I can’t believe my child has read two novels in Spanish!”

  8. When I taught high school, some of my classes seemed to enjoy reading “Pobre Ana.” But getting through the novel actually became the goal, and that goal replaced comprehension and having fun. It was like we became driven to finish it. So I agree with Ben’s assessment of that.

    1. One of the freeing moments for me came when I discovered “The Rights of the Reader” by Daniel Pennac.
      The rights that I keep in mind especially for reading as a class are numbers 2 and 3.
      2. The right to skip
      3. The right not finish a book
      When we read, at some point I ask the students to read at home and then talk about what is going on during class time. Of course, that means that I have to have enough copies of the book for students to be able to check it out and take it home. If students have read the chapter, they are able to participate in the discussion; if they have not, at least they are hearing a summary of the story in German. Sometimes I just tell students what happened and skip part of the book.
      For “The Trip of his Life”, I ask my students NOT to read the last chapter but write their own ending instead. Then we share the endings in class. Quite frankly, my students often have better ideas for wrapping up the story than the actual ending. Interestingly, students usually insist on reading the book’s ending after they have written their own – and then agree with me that their stuff is better.
      The goal is to help make reading more interesting for the reluctant readers, so it has to be easy.
      Here’s a link to a pdf of the rights of the reader:

  9. “We kind of have to want to be there”…
    I’ve noticed that my worst classes are when I kind of *don’t* want to be there (for whatever reason) and there’s no teaching “method” in the world that can save me when I don’t really want to be there.

  10. In my experience, working in a school setting, most kids in middle school want to have the feeling they are really learning sth even if their behavior doesn’t suggest it, and if the language classroom feels too much like chilling they get dissatisfied. So for me it’s the question of balancing the two aspects: some effort plus relaxing, humorous learning/aquisition.

  11. Hi there-I’m new to the forum. I just started back to teaching this past year after a 12 year hiatus and came upon TPRS from 2 colleagues. I’ve experimented with it this year and am planning to use more next year. However, I’m feeling quite overwhelmed after reading your last couple of posts! I’ve been immersing myself in some of the basics and now it seems you are shifting your thoughts about TPRS-at least the foundations I’ve been studying. From my small exploration of TPRS, I can understand your reasoning, but now I feel lost about where to start. I’m just learning about OWI and would love to be pointed to a beginner’s posting about Invisibles.
    I’m really enjoying this community, just wish I had another 6 months before school begins again 🙂

  12. I’ll send you a book. But just remember that this is where I am at right now professionally, and that I am not saying that this is the only way to do it and the old way is wrong. I am just trying to follow my own star. Read the book and then you have to make your own decisions. In that way, you will be developing CI for yourself, making your own vision, one reflective of your own teaching personality, and so you can look forward to a long career in which you develop your own way of doing CI, since there is no right way to do this work. If we do comprehensible input with our kids, that’s all we have to do. We each have to find our own way.

    1. Ben, which book are you sending? I’m just wondering because I am in the same boat–took 14 years off from teaching to be home with kids, returned last year and dabbled with TPRS, and I have a few of your books that I have been reading to help guide me this year. I tend to want to do everything at once, so I am trying to control myself and just focus on a few things to start. Wondering if there is one book that you feel is a good starting point. Thanks!

  13. I am also returning to teaching after a 10 year hiatus and I am overwhelmed with the how and what of beginning my year. Can I get a link to this book as well? I teach Level 1 5th-8th graders once a week and I would love to use OWI/Invisibles but not sure I completely understand.

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