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9 thoughts on “Krashen vs. Duncan”
Hi, Ben, I’m in waiting for my London/Chicago flight at the Athens airport, where they have free internet. So I write to you this request:
May we, I, see online somewhere examples of your district’s summative pre- and post- tests.
Hi Ben, I second that request.
Nope. I think that they are copyrighted to the district. I have bridged this with Diana before. I’ll see Diana but when I asked her once she said that this is a difficult area. Frank, dude, you are still over there? Nice vacation boss. The wonderful Chicago Schools await you on the other side of that plane ride. Hmm. Greece… Chicago….Greece… Chicago….Greece… Chicago…. Hmm. I guess I’m gonna go with Greece on that one….. Welcome back anyway!
Maybe Diana Noonan will allow you to provide us with at least a description of those summative pre- and post-tests. Or at least something substantially suggestive!
Yeah Frank she’s up in the mountains getting a much needed and deserved rest this week, so I will see her in the next few weeks and bring it up. I know that, if this is the instrument I believe it to be, it is very valuable and as such should be shared in some form acceptable to all involved.
As always, such amazing work is done here.
I’m fascinated by the discussion of the Three Modes (maybe there could be a separate category for that?), and anxious to see how Robert Harrell’s grand experiment goes this year. I’m very curious about the nuts-and-bolts/mechanics of the assessment, especially since two of the three standards seem to be output-oriented.
I feel so privileged to have access to this community. Thank you all!
Kelly I will set that category up tonite. If anyones can end me some links, at least a few, from that awesome discussion in June, the ones you think are the best, then it will save me some time tonight in setting up a strong category. If this is where we are going, Kelly is absolutely right to suggest a category for it.
I was just going over some notes in preparation for a presentation I have this Saturday on the new German AP Exam. The German and French exams are organized around
Oral Interpretive Communication
Written Interpretive Communication
Oral Interpersonal Communication
Written Interpersonal Communication
Oral Presentational Communication
Written Presentational Communication
Even the College Board recognizes the importance of the Three Modes. As I see it
Interpretive is purely input
Interpersonal is a mixture of input and output*
Presentational is purely output
*The teacher can determine how much and what kind of output the students demonstrate. Remember, interpersonal communication includes the act of Constructing Meaning, i.e. making certain that both parties to the conversation understand each other. I see all of the following as aspects of student-generated interpersonal communication:
-“I don’t understand” signal
-Deer-in-the-headlights look
-Nod/Shake head
-“Oooh/Aaah”
-Say “Yes/No” in target language
-“Oh no, oh no, oh no”
-One-word answers
-Cute answers in English (that the teacher then reiterates in the TL)
-Short phrases (e.g. exclamations, comments from posters on the walls)
If the teacher is not aware of or heeding these signals from the students, then interpersonal communication is not taking place.
From the above we can go in the upper levels and with fast processors to more extended utterances.
Don’t forget that we are expected to scaffold for our students. A few years ago I was required by my district to get certification to teach ELD/ELL. Instead of doing (Bilingual) Crosscultural Language and Academic Development ((B)CLAD), I did Specially Designed Academic Instruction in English (SDAIE). Only I really did SDAIG (German). The scaffolding and strategies that they presented were basically a review of what I had learned in my excellent Methods class and things I already did. CI/TPRS so aligns with all of these things that it’s ridiculous so many people don’t see it.
I’m so glad that you keep going over this. I am getting a clearer understanding each time. This statement here:
As I see it
Interpretive is purely input
Interpersonal is a mixture of input and output*
Presentational is purely output
is golden. Now I really really get it.
with love,
Laurie