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11 thoughts on “Chris Stoltz’ Article”
I’m sorry, I’m in and out of the discussion here. Where can we find this article?
There are several videos on YouTube of Krashen doing a demo of CI in German where he is drawing and describing a picture of Spock. He sounds natural and legit at least in that language. I’ve also heard him reference several times that he reads in other languages regularly.
But remember, he is a linguist. One doesn’t need to be fluent in any L2 to be a linguist. That’s a point that’s come up here many times: Traditional teaching, and even eclectic-communicative teaching, trains linguistics, not fluency.
It is clear to me that Krashen understands and communicates in German, I had a fairly short conversation with him and recommended a book, because he was looking for more reading material. He seemed clearly fluent to me. I think that Professor is just throwing stones. Also just even if he wasn’t fluent in a foreign language then, doesn’t mean he isn’t now. Since the LAD is not age-dependent.
PS I would also like the article re-linked.
I wish I could edit my own quickly written post.
Here’s how it should end.
Even if he wasn’t fluent in a foreign language then, he could still be fluent now, since the LAD is not age-dependent.
Also…
That attack against Krashen from that professor is a textbook example of what’s called an “ad hominem” fallacy. Dr. Krashen’s alleged lack of fluency in an L2, while perhaps potentially embarrassing IF it is true, has nothing at all to do with the validity of his research.
Krashen is fluent in German. Take it from a Kraut.
I believe he’s also studied Mandarin and now Inthink he’s working on either Aramaic o Amharic. He was on yahoo moretprs recently wondering where he could get a proper teacher.
The article was written because in BC there werenliterally 4 teachers doing TPRS and, my God, for such a fun and effective method we need more people. Plus apparently the Oct 25 workshops at the Provincial conference were full cos ppl heard aboutnit. I tell people, “yo, I’m not by any means a master TPRS teacher– actually I suck– but bad TPRS whumps good grammar grinding.”
If you want to read the article it’s here on P16
http://www.bctf.ca/TeacherNewsmagSept2013/
Next up I have 2 more planned: an interview with Blaine Ray (on the history of the method), and another one called “five myths about language learning.”
I thought his work was more related to ESL in the first place.
Chris, what a great article. Way to sound the good news!
Krashen is strong in French. When he observed me for two classes here at my high school in Denver, he was clearly enjoying the CI in French. He threw out a few good little additions in French into the CI, and it was beautiful French, in fact.
Why are we talking about this? The man changes the course of language instruction history and gets blasted for not being fluent in a language? What? Nathaniel if you see that professor tell him that I have a few “mixed feelings” for him, if he cares to partake.
Thanks Ben, Eric and Chris,
I googled a bit and found the following additional counter evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K11o19YNvk (less than 3 minutes, CI introduction to body parts in German)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swW1vcG65x8 (first 5 minutes, his experience learning German, French, Hebrew).
I agree with all of your comments. 1) It is irrelevant to his contributions. 2) It is an ad hominem attack (that is a specific type of 1 which is avoiding the argument.
But I for one am better informed and can now out-ad hominem the ad hominem: If the prof is wrong on the basic facts, maybe he misunderstand the hypotheses too.
I would like to underline part of my argument for CI/TPRS: It works because it is not just another pedagogical missile being launched at us from some ivory tower. It is a series of attitudes, strategies and procedures that have been tested in the field.
(And btw, I was able to send the 3-minute You Tube to my colleagues as a way to introduce body parts w/ minimal English. So thanks for rallying around, troops)
—-I would like to underline part of my argument for CI/TPRS: It works because it is not just another pedagogical missile being launched at us from some ivory tower. It is a series of attitudes, strategies and procedures that have been tested in the field. — Nathaniel
Bravo, Nathaniel!
Man, we have some smarticle people on this blog.